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Thursday, June 15, 2017

MJ-12 again?

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My pal Kevin Randle has posted, at his blog [kevinrandle.blogspot.com] that new MJ-12 documents have surfaced and he is going to examine the “documents” and provide an exegesis of them.

Meanwhile, the dogs of ufology are frothing  at the mouth as they try to bite into the discussion of the MJ-12 things.

See the comments at Kevin’s blog where only two sane responses show up: one from my buddy CDA and a succinct few words from my friend Nick Redfern.

That an apparent sociopath has proffered a phony sludge of papers with an MJ-12 sobriquet opens the door to UFO crazies who are trying to capitalize on the hoaxed papers and shows, again, that ufology is replete with insanity.



  • Heather Wade, a UFO promoting simpleton, has reported that UFO huckster, Stanton Friedman's preliminary conclusion is that the (transparently false) documents are real.

    UFO believers get EXACTLY what they deserve. They have helped create a world where, for many dunces, the truth doesn't matter.

    By Blogger Lance, at Thursday, June 15, 2017  

  • Lance:

    Stanton Friedman thinks they are real?

    The guy is ending his ufological sojourn on that loopy note?

    This is more than sad; it's pathetic too.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, June 15, 2017  

  • Rich -

    I looked at the documents carefully and compared them to other documents (and using my experience with highly classified material, which was appropriate since some of the material was dated 1989) and that the aliens like trees, I posted a longer analysis at my blog. Just wanted to be sure there was nothing new, and then tried to make sure there were no major typos in the posting, I finally added that analysis to the blog. That anyone would think these things are authentic says something about their cognitive abilities. It isn't even good science fiction... strawberry ice cream anyone?

    By Blogger KRandle, at Thursday, June 15, 2017  

  • I saw your survey of the "documents" Kevin and, as usual, you've clarified what they are, or are not.

    Nicely done.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, June 15, 2017  

  • Rich: you said my MJ-12 comment was sane (along with Nick Redfern's).

    You must take into account that my comment was written without even reading the latest MJ-12 docs. But how on earth can a "sane" person make the remarks I did without even bothering to read the very documents he is talking about?

    Counter argument: The only reason I have (so far) remained sane is that I have deliberately avoided the said documents. Reading them might cause me to go, shall we say, a bit insane. Now you wouldn't like that, would you?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • CDA:

    Some of us (you, Redfern, Kevin, even me) remain compos mentis because we shirk dangers and stupidities that are, on the face of them, patently irregular; that is, they smack of errancy and evoke caution from the get-go, from their screwy premises.

    The original MJ-12 documents have been deemed fraudulent by persons who have qualified cachet to make such a determination.

    This, when someone comes up with a "sequel" to the fraudulent originals, sensible (sane) persons can, logically and rightfully dismiss the sequel out of hand.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • I have already had several people email/Facebook me to say that they think the new documents are government disinformation. They're not.

    This is just some nut with too much time on his hands. This is a total joke - the "interview with the alien" being the nuttiest part of all.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if after certain, well-known ufologists endorse this bullshit, the joker/hoaxer will come out of the shadows and reveal how he did it - as a means to further discredit Roswell and right as the 70th anniversary of Roswell looms large.

    This, in my view, is the work of a ufologist who has become cynical and is just looking for a way to make the community look stupid. And it will probably work.

    PS: I am eagerly waiting to see the fence-sitters in Ufology who will not outright denounce the documents because it might have an adverse effect on their being invited to certain conferences and not being in with the "in crowd" anymore. Pathetic.

    The carnival/car-crash continues!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • I have to disagree with Nick on one thing. No hoaxer that I am aware of, especially with fake documents, has ever come forward to admit he or she forged them. It is in fact very rare in ufology for any hoaxer to admit it or own up afterwards.

    Also, remember that even after such a confession there will STILL be believers who refuse to accept it - they will merely claim the forger was told to say this by the authorities.

    I do agree, however, that the fake was intended for the 70th anniversary of Roswell.

    Meanwhile, we here in the UK have to put up with bombings, shootings and now high rise apartment fires.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • Indeed CDA...

    You and your fellow Brits have really serious things to contend with.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • Yep, given the state of the world right now, Roswell is way down the list in terms of importance.

    CDA is right in the sense that UFO hoaxers don't come forward and admit their actions. But, with the 70th anniversary on the horizon, I am wondering if they will come forward but suggest that it was some kind of social experiment, rather than a hoax.

    CDA also says "he or she." Only a male would do something so stupid as this. Probably a socially awkward person, a male virgin with bad halitosis, and a bed-wetter.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, June 16, 2017  

  • Apparently Friedman is not outright endorsing the documents (I didn't listen to the Heather Wade show that he was on [five minutes of that show is enough for a lifetime] but comments state that Friedman said that he doesn't like to commit himself).

    Elsewhere, someone noticed that Flatrock, Nevada (one of the locations in the documents) is fictional (from The Andromeda Strain novel).

    By Blogger Lance, at Saturday, June 17, 2017  

  • Why are we all fooling around with this?

    Is it a psychological experiment to determine just how insane we UFO buffs really are?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, June 17, 2017  

  • Here is the explanation for Kevin Randles article:

    Just around Roswell, even the Examiners among themselves are heavily disputed and there is great Envy of any new Story and Discovery.
    Just Kevin Randle is always there in front (also applies to others).

    By Blogger Michael Loengard, at Saturday, June 17, 2017  

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